. I’ll never forget listening to whatshisname from LW (the American guy who founded it?) and he was saying how he struggled and blah blah blah and eventually got married and every single person in the auidence went “awwwww”. I mean come on, seriously? People are insane. 🙄 😆 He made a point of saying heterosexuality wasn’t the goal though. It was just oh so convienient that he got married and everything.

Andy Comiskey…..you now how I seem to have the most incredible connections….well I have some inside knowledge there with someone I’ve been working with. Strange how he has disappeared off the scene.

putting myself out there totally. i would say that there are people out there that are just confused with their sexuality. more catorgorised by being called trysexuals rather then labelling them with the gay/bi tags.

even though time will tell where their sexuality really lies, I think some guidance would assist. I dont agree with the working of ex-gay programs that try to shift the orientation of people. but if they dont have an orientation to shift then let em have a go.

In saying that, Ex-gay programs take a harsh line to convert people back to hetrosexuality. Imagine if the church had the same stance to get people saved. people would be running from the church! Like all things, the only thing that works are programs based on relationships, mentoring, and working as a team. just sitting people down in a room and making people do questionares each day and studies until they are blue in the face doesnt achieve anything.

If you want someone to stop thinking thoughts about the opposite sex why whould you ask them daily what thoughts they are thinking? isnt it putting it in the spotlight and making that the focus?

wow – i’ve jumped to each side of the fence in just a couple of paragraphs. sorry about that! hope this helps the discussion anyway.

the problem with a friend going to such a program is that many of the people/leaders of such programs strongly encourage participants to cut themselves off from their gay friends (was my experience anyway) so if the ‘friend’ takes their advise it would be difficult to see how they are going but i would think a presence and prayer would be essential while they go through the program or whatever

it would be difficult to outrightly say no dont do it

i do not go that way myself anyway – to say no dont go

Andy Comiskey…..you now how I seem to have the most incredible connections….well I have some inside knowledge there with someone I’ve been working with. Strange how he has disappeared off the scene.

Ah, it’s good to have friends in high places. There have been quite a number of those situations occuring. It’s almost a shame, his wife is such a lovely woman. I remember reading about John Paulk when he divorvced his wife…that was quite some time ago though. Suppose its telling that my heart breaks more for the desolate wives in these situations 😉

One of the biggest changes in both the theory and theology of ex-gay ministies is the notion of a 100% change. I have yet to find one that claims all people who change will be 100% cured. What most of them claim is a lessening of homosexual desire and an emergence of heterosexual desire. This doesn’t make a whole lot of sense if one believes that God made everyone heterosexual to begin with. If that were true then why wouldn’t people change 100%, does God just get lazy half way through the healing process? 😆 😆 It’s one of the major flaws in my opinion. That and the fact that no two ex-gay programs are the same. I mean, if they work, why are they all different?!

Now you’ve said that I’m thinking maybe John and Anne might not have actually split. I do know that John “practised” 😉 his homosexuality there for a bit though which caused some dramas. Maybe I just assumed they split. I guess if anyone could be forgiving of that kind of thing it is Anne, she has a similar background. Interesting couple on all accounts.