But if your work is burnt up, then you will lose it; but you yourself will be saved, as if you had escaped through the fire. (good news verion)

Remember, there is only one foundation, the one already laid Jesus Christ. 12 Take particular care in picking out your building materials. 13 Eventually there is going to be an inspection. If you use cheap or inferior materials, you’ll be found out. The inspection will be thorough and rigorous. You won’t get by with a thing. 14 If your work passes inspection, fine; 15 if it doesn’t, your part of the building will be torn out and started over. But you won’t be torn out; you’ll survive – but just barely. (message version)

thats all i could find tho feel one of the peters or johns may have one.

I love this thread people…Jesus is Lord…nothing to add at 11pm but maybe in the morning…hugggs all round!!

Bec

There is s scripture for that one Sandy and I will find it for you and its good………..actually prob. a few……..will gather them together, I asked this many years ago and found it…………YOU dont have an answer?? shock Oh dear my desk just shook wink

romans 211-16

11 For there is no partiality with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

So one could conclude that God judges the intentions of the heart of those who have never heard since there are somethings within us that we do naturally that are as the law.

Heres one to just add, something of interest i just came across, which is what we live under now as followers of christ get a load of this scripture

romans 321-31

21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all F15 who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

The law of faith is established………wonder what the difference is between through faith for gentiles and by faith for jews??? and he says do we make the law through faith void? meaning those accepting Jesus who arent jews through faith ahhhhhhhh i see it by faith meaning the jews had all the sciptures pointing to Jesus and believe by faith its all true to righteousness and us gentiles who just believe because we are told through our faith……..this is sooooooooo gooddddddd D

Geez, I need to read my bible more! I can’t believe the answer was staring me in the face in the bible and I didn’t see it. 🙁 Thank goodness I have great people like you guys to show me. 🙂

Hmm I think you are right Maggie, or maybe more accurately the bible is right. Jesus judges the intentions of our heart. I agree with some of what you are saying Boi70, I too believe that we are made in God’s image and therefore have ‘his image’ inside of us, Christian or otherwise. But lets say that an Indian who was aware of the Gospel interpreted God’s image in them wrongly and worshiped Shiva instead of Jesus, what happens then? They are a good person, kind of animals and all that, but they have knowingly rejected the gospel. Are their intentions good to God then?

The difference between Abraham and us is that Jesus had not lived yet. We are soooooo fortunate to have hindsight in this respect, we can see how it all connects and so too could some of the prophets, you can not read three chapters of Isaiah without stumbling across Jesus. It would seem then that the expectations God has of an individual in say contemporary Australia, where we have free access to the Word would be different to that of Abraham.

In regards to being seen as individuals instead of a collective, it’s a nice theory but it would collapse in practice. It’s impossible. We may get gay legal rights, but what about the hundreds of thousands of Christians out there who believe that it is wrong? What about the impacts on family? And to use a different example what about people such as pedophiles? Should their individual needs be recognized? And some conservative Christians (not a view I personally hold but its out there) would view the legalization of homosexual rights in the same category as pedophilia, if we are to ban that for the good of the collective then why not homosexuality? Where do you draw the line? What about the welfare state? The entire system would collapse if single mothers the unemployed and so on where given benefits on an individual basis. And who decides? Say you have a single mum from an abusive background, who is illiterate and you have a single mother who’s late husband left her a fortune and who has a university degree. If these cases where to be individualized then in my opinion the illiterate single mother should have free access to more services and receive a bigger benefit than the latter woman. But who decides this? And what happens if the latter mother doesn’t agree and sues? These are just some of the questions that could be raised. Others could be polygamy, prostitution and so forth. For a society to function it needs a government that makes decisions for the good of the majority, its unfortunate that minority sometimes looses out. While social structures may seem to restrict us, as say a 17-year-old wants to get a job working behind a bar and they legally can’t, they also help us and protect us from other people, laws against stealing for example. Trust me you would create far more problems.

I have to disagree with whatever you read bec_oz. If what you read is true and it is our responsibility to spread the word and through our own fault we haven’t then why should innocent people suffer? It’s a bit of a stretch to think that we should be able to reach every person on the face of the earth with the gospel and have the time to explain in sufficient detail. I don’t think God would make individuals suffer just because the rest of the world hasn’t fulfilled Jesus’ command sufficiently.